Who Am I To Say Anything?
I used to be a very deeply conspiratorial person, enveloped in the most outrageous fringe beliefs. Over time, I've challenged my own beliefs, and looked at the opposition to see what they have to say about flat earth being false. And using my own brain, I've thought about everything from my own perspective. Ultimately, the conspiracy theorists have the weakest logical footholds and the most emotional arguments, a clear sign of wanting to defend your ego and feeling special. I've seen it all, I've heard it all, I know it all.
You watch any video of conspiracy theorists debating scientists, and you will see the scientists calmly and rationally dismantle every single conspiracy theory with ease. Yet the conspiracy theorists will still cling to their beliefs, refusing to accept reality. This is because they are emotionally invested in their beliefs, and they want to feel special and unique. They want to believe that they have access to secret knowledge that the rest of the world doesn't. But in reality, they are just deluding themselves. They completely ignore anything the scientists and experts say (I'm guilty of this too). The sane, rational person will say something that explains or disproves their conspiracy, and the only thing the conspirator says is 'nuh uh.' A complete lack of accepting defeat or superior evidence.
Conspiracies don't work on logic, they work on emotion and FLAWED logic. I made this page to provide a store for anyone who wants to see the logical and evidential flaws in these theories, whether you're on the fence, a die-hard theorist, or just someone who wants to make fun of the conspirators. I've tried my best to make this list as accessible as possible (since most conspirators don't believe any complex words or phenomena, even if they're well documented, and demonstrate low brain power, so I had to make sure their tiny brains can understand it). Enjoy.
Ground Rules
There's a lot of inconsistencies in how conspiracy theorists argue, so I'm going to make some things very clear here:
Terms To Know
Feedback
If you see any issues with my reasoning or would like me to address other claims, feel free to submit your feedback! I'd love to flesh out this page as much as I can and address any other arguments that you conspirators may have. I don't want to leave any stone unturned.
Debunking Flat Earth
Infinite Earth Theories
Some flerfers like to think the Earth is infinite, that it goes out forever. But at the same time they call the 'firmament' a dome. A dome is a finite boundary, not an infinite one. It is mathematically impossible to have an infinite DOME on a flat surface that extends forever. One example of the severe mathematical ineptitude commonly seen in flat earthers.
But Planes Echo Off The Dome!
Jets produce mostly low‑frequency sound. Low‑frequency sound spreads widely and is hard for human ears to locate due to the timing of the wavelengths entering your eardrums. This is also why bass always feels like it’s everywhere at concerts.
You don't need a 'firmament' for this echo to occur; it's just the result of insanely fast, and loud, movement paired with low frequency sound waves.
Clouds Go Behind the Sun
This is an optical illusion caused by the sheer brightness of the Sun and the transparency of the clouds. If the clouds infront of the sun are just transparent enough, the immense brightness of the Sun can cause us to not see the clouds infront of the Sun.
Here's someone's experiment demonstrating this phenomenon in detail. Below is an image of the experiment:
Schools Did Not Teach Flat Earth
Early geocentrist astronomers used heavily complicated maps to make up for their error in thinking the Sun goes around the Earth. Normal, real maps are way easier to use in finding out the path of planets.
This is how we are able to predict solar eclipses hundreds of years into the future with precision down to the second. We use the REAL world model, a ROUND Earth.
The Romans knew, the Greeks knew, even Jesus probably knew. You're the odd one out if you think it's flat.
The Stars
Stellar Parallax
Stellar parallax is a well-documented phenomenon, but it's so minor because the stars are so far that we can't detect any change with the naked eye. Claiming that there's no parallax in stars is a fool's mistake, a completely false statement. The Greeks used this same argument against heliocentrism because they didn't know just how far away the stars really are.
The closest star to use is Proxima Centauri, which is about 4.24 light-years away. We can't even see the parallax on this with our human eyes: a mere 3.85 arcseconds/year which translate to 0.001069444 degrees/year or 0.00000292797 degrees every DAY.
See a video of Proxima Centauri's parallax over 10 years with highly specialized equipment.
Constellation Differences
Every half a year, the constellations we see in the sky are different, which shouldn't happen on a Flat Earth, ever. This makes sense on a round Earth because we move to the other side of the sun, obscuring the other side of the sky while the night sky becomes a different half.
Constellation Rotations
In the Northern Hemisphere, constellations in the sky turn clockwise over the period of a day. But in the Southern Hemisphere, constellations turn counter-clockwise. This would NEVER work on a Flat Earth, stationary or not.
Hemisphere Differences
If I'm in the Southern Hemisphere, why can't I see Northern Hemisphere constellations? The Polaris of the South is the Southern Cross. You CANNOT see the North Star from the South, which makes 0 sense on a Flat Earth.
If I'm looking South on a Flat Earth, it means I'm looking outwards towards the 'ice wall.' How is it possible that someone on the other side of the Flat Earth sees the same constellations as me looking in an opposite direction? Clearly impossible, and a massive disproof of Flat Earth.
The Sun Is Not The Same Size As The Moon
The Sun goes behind the Moon during a solar eclipse, meaning the Sun is bigger than the Moon. Seeing as how the Sun and Moon's apparent sizes during totality are basically the same, the Sun HAS to be bigger. And it is. It is LEAGUES bigger than flerfers claim.
The Government Is Hiding Land
For what reason would EVERY government in the world be "hiding land"? The entire premise of America was to expand to the West, to TAKE OVER more land. If the Earth were flat and had more land, EVERY country in the world would be fighting to expand. So many wars in history have been over land. Hitler wanted more land. Russia wanted Ukraine's land. Britain wanted land. Napoleon wanted land. IF THERE WAS MORE LAND, IT WOULD NOT BE A SECRET.
But I Can See Farther Than Normal!
Atmospheric Refraction And The Horizon
We can see farther than normal because light bends when traveling through the atmosphere. This is known as atmospheric refraction. This happens because the air gets lighter as you go higher, and, when light moves from a denser medium to a lighter one, light bends towards the denser medium, A.K.A. the Earth. This provides some extra viewing distance.
Horizon Level
To put it simply, you can see farther when you're taller because your eyes can see farther beyond the curve. Second, if something is beyond the horizon, you can still see it! Its height just has to be taller than the horizon. Basically, things don't drop into nothingness instantly, you can still see part of them if they're beyond the horizon, and your height allows you to see farther.
If you are comfortable with math (which most conspirators probably aren't), I'll walk you through the calculations behind how far you can see.
The graph of a partial circle is y = √(r^2-x^2), we can replace the r with E and that gives us part of the Earth. You can graph this into Desmos to confirm that this is indeed a hemisphere with a radius of E.
Now imagine you are standing right on the top of the Earth, standing 6 feet tall, looking straight down at the horizon. We need to find the equation for the line whose y-intercept is equal to E+H and is tangent to the Earth, meaning it touches the Earth's curve. This will be our line of sight looking straight at the horizon.
This just means our line starts at E+H, the top of the Earth plus 6 feet and is looking downwards at some slope A that we need to find.
We want one solution, so recall the quadratic formula: x = (-b ± √(b^2 - 4ac)) / (2a)
The b^2 - 4ac has to be 0 so the -b plus or minuses a zero, leaving us with a single solution for x.
Plugging this into Desmos with A replaced with x gets us a value of ±0.00075767. I'll use the positive value since I already made A negative in the y = F - Ax equation.
Now I couldn't get Desmos to give me an exact number, maybe because of the scale, but x = 3 is about where the curves intersect, which means a 6-foot-tall person can see 3 miles.
However, that is only up to the horizon; imagine if you're looking at an object that's 10 feet tall. If it's standing right on the horizon, you can see it in its entirety, and only when it goes beyond it will the bottom of it start to disappear from your line of sight.
Ok let's calculate this for an object of size 10 ft. The top of the object lies on the curve y = √((E+O)^2-x^2), increasing the normal radius of the Earth by 10 feet.
We can use the previous calculations for our line of sight to find out where the intersections are between our line of sight and the top of the object, telling us when it disappears.
Plugging this into Desmos outputs two x-values, the larger one (when it goes out of our line of sight) is 6.87204 miles.
Using the 8 inches per mile argument for this, we'd get a drop of 31.4832892 feet, and you can see why someone might say 'oh well 31.5 feet? We shouldn't be able to see objects 10 ft tall over the horizon!' But it fails to understand that you also have height and can see pretty far, seeing objects in their entirety all the way up until the horizon until they start disappearing bottom first where we can still see the top of them. And don't forget the bit of viewing distance we get with atmospheric refraction.
Anyways, there it is, mathematically showing you that you can indeed see objects of size 10 ft 6 miles away on a round earth. Hard numbers, not soft ones with vibes.
Keep Watching That Boat
Flerfers love to bring up videos where a boat will go out several miles into the ocean while someone on the beach or on a hill will keep zooming in with a telescope. They use this as 'proof' that the Earth doesn't curve. But I want you to find a video where they keep watching, and keep watching, and keep watching. What happens? The boat disappears, not just shrink, but disappear hull-first. This means we see less and less of the bottom of the boat the farther it goes out, which makes no sense on a Flat Earth because we'd just see it shrink and shrink, never down and down.
Conciousness Experiments
Scientists Won't Research It
Completely false. Princeton University had a lab named Princton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) that ran for TWENTY-EIGHT years before being shut down. They studied the effects of consciousness on physical system and before you say 'oh they were getting too close to the truth,' no they actually failed in their experiments; none of them were replicated properly by other independent research institutions and there were several flaws in how they conducted their study.
But Coast to Coast Did It
Now I cannot find any information about this online, but I'd be willing to assume they like to do these experiments a lot. Let me ask you this: do they use a rigorous, highly structured criteria for what makes an experiment 'successful' and what doesn't? Do they use very specific thoughts? Did they even record their results to compare the successes and failures? Because imagine if I flip a coin 100 times and say 'it'll land on heads.' I'm very likely to ignore the 50 times it lands on tails and only remember when it lands on heads, claiming my consciousness did it. That's called confirmation bias, and it's not science.
We've Never Been To The Moon!
We Haven't Gone Back
Why would we? NASA's funding was severely boosted during the Cold War, and deeply cut afterwards. They literally cannot afford expensive flights every month. If it was faked, it should be so easy to just keep everyone entertained by making fake videos all the time. But they don't. This isn't the behavior of a liar.
Flights Are Always Delayed!
I don't understand how this is proof of NASA being a liar. If anything, it proves they're legit, because what liar with a simple film studio would have to delay their films? It's so easy to shoot a video versus spend billions on engineering a rocket that'll go into outerspace and come back safely. And please look at the times when NASA gave into public pressure: their rockets exploded or went through heavy technical issues because they didn't delay the project enough to patch those final issues.
Neil Armstrong Won't Swear On The Bible
Neil isn't compelled to swear on the Bible that he went to the moon. He's not even religious. He doesn't need to spend five seconds doing a meaningless act to 'prove' he did it. People like you will still think he's lying. It makes his act worthless no matter what decision he made.
Stars In Space
Astronauts Give Different Answers
The astronauts have to wear highly protective face shields on their suits, which makes it difficult to see the stars. Some of them might've been able to see stars, others nothing.
You Can't See Stars In The Moon Landing Video!
The exposure of the camera had to be tuned in such a way that you can't see the stars in the sky. If you've ever used a camera, the following explanation should be super simple: The moon has no atmosphere, so the amount of light reflecting off it's surface is astronomically high to where the camera's exposure must be tuned way down, otherwise the video would be a flashbang.
NASA Photography
Invalid Continent Proportions And Color Differences
The photos of Earth are taken with a variety of cameras which all take in light differently, and it will change how the final picture is. Simply look at old photos even ON Earth; their colors are far weirder than what we have today. You cannot claim the photos are fake because of a color difference in 1997 to 2016, that would be idiotic.
Second, these photos aren't taken with one single camera far out in space; these are COMPOSITE images, meaning they took a bajillion images with satellites CLOSE to Earth, and stitched them up together after-the-fact, which is why the continent proportions aren't 100% accurate in these images.
Galactic Colors
Some photographs of space are indeed colored afterwards for the populace to enjoy, but that doesn't mean they're fake. That's like saying the person in a photoshopped image never existed; their visible colors are misconstrued but that doesn't mean the existence of the subject is completely invalidated. Why not just keep it grayscale? Well the telescopes are designed to capture specific wavelengths of light, and the colors are added to make the images more visually appealing and informative, like highlighting certain elements, radiation, or temperature patterns.
Rocket Takeoffs
Why Do Rockets Fly Off To The Side
Some flerfers lack the basic understanding behind lauching rockets off to the side. They believe NASA does this to then drop the hyper-expensive rocket in the ocean or land it somewhere in a studio, away from the public eyes. Rockets fly off to the side to let the Earth's rotation boost them, saving fuel. It's like a slingshot. You don't push a ball when you throw it; you SWING it, same with rockets.
Space Videos Are Faked!
Space video deniers like to say that the videos are actually made underwater or in a studio. But that logic makes absolutely zero sense. Even a child can understand that you'd see bubbles and other signs of water in a studio environment. How are they even breathing if it was underwater? So stupid. I don't know how many conspirators believe this because it's so ridiculous, but there probably are because obviously they don't think too deep.
Some people like to say that it's filmed with a green screen inside of whatever the hell studio can mimick 0G, maybe a plane? But tell me how there's never been artifacts in the videos caused by the green screen? Surely there would be some kind of visual evidence if that were the case. Sure modern editing is powerful, but would it really leave zero trace after THOUSANDS of videos? Even so, let's say they are REALLY good at editing. Moon landing deniers love to say 'well there's no stars in the Apollo video, therefore NASA sucks at editing.' You can't have both be true.
Nostradamus
Nostradamus was a French astrologer and physician who lived in the 16th century. He is best known for his prophecies, which were written in obscure language and often interpreted in various ways.
Many people believe that Nostradamus predicted the events of the 20th century, including the rise of Hitler and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, there is no evidence to support these claims.
Debunking His Prophecies
9/11 Prediction
Here's some of the quotes I found about his 'prediction' that I will individually challenge:
Two steel birds will fall from the sky on the Metropolis
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude
Fire approaches the great new city
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
Within months, rivers will flow with blood
The undead will roam the earth for little time.
Let me make it clear that Nostradamus was born in 1503 and died in 1566. Steel wasn't invented until the 18th century, 200 years after his death, so it's impossible that he could have even USED the word 'steel.' Clearly, this quote is fabricated (which it is but I'm sure conspirators would never believe that).
Furthermore, the quote does not mention the Twin Towers specifically, nor does it mention the date of the attack. It is clear that this quote is fabricated.
In the city of God there will be a great thunder
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos while the fortress endures
The great leader will succumb
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
You need to understand how psychics work before I can delve into this quote: psychics use very vague language to make their predictions. They use very broad terms and often use metaphors or symbols to convey their meaning. This leads to many people thinking they really do predict the future because they got a better christmas bonus or something and the psychic said 'you will have a great holiday this year' 25 months ago. This quote is a perfect example of this.
Do you really think NY, one of the worst places I can imagine, is the "city of God"? And what the hell is the "fortress"? Who is the "great leader"? I've never heard of a great leader fall after 9/11 nor did I hear anything about a fortress. And say what you may about "oh this is the start of World War 3" buddy World War 3 hasn't happened for ages. You can keep saying we are in WW3 but just because there's some conflict going on (which ALWAYS happens) doesn't mean it's a WORLD war.
And third, this quote claims it was penned in 1654, but Nostradamus was already dead 88 years ago. This is so blatantly a fake quote.
Earth-shaking flames from the world's center roar
And make the earth around a 'New City' quiver.
How many new cities are there? There's New Mexico, New Orleans, New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, etc. This could apply to any one of those. Second, planes aren't flames from the "core," they're in the sky.
General
Government Secrets
Governments can barely hold any secrets. Government secrets are so easily leaked, especially in a free country like the USA.
People were scared of government surveillance after 9/11 BECAUSE a government agent named Snowden leaked government files detailing the NSA's surveillance methods.
Ellsberg leaked Pentagon papers detailing how the government was misconstruing the Vietnam War as a series of American victories.
President Nixon destroyed evidence, silenced witnesses, and obstructed investigations, but even that didn't stop the world from finding out that he'd been behind the Watergate break-ins.
It is so hard for the government to hide any secrets, do you really think something as big as the shape of the world or the moon landing could be faked and kept secret? Even when history demolishes your bullshit beliefs?
NASA Said Gravity Will Stop Working For 7 Seconds!
NASA never said this. This is complete falsehood spread by random girls on TikTok. If gravity really was going to disappear for 7 seconds, don't you think there'd be a national emergency?!? That would basically mean death and the end of the Earth.
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) Opens Portals To Hell To Talk With The Devil And Demons Using A Chip With The Power Of Seven billion Brains.
This one of the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. As a software engineer, I can tell you plainly that we don't even have the compute power to simulate a single fly brain. How the hell would we have a nanochip with the power of seven billion human minds? Do you have any idea just how powerful the human brain is?
Also, the LHC smashes particles together at high speeds to see what happens. It doesn't open portals to hell. This is just pure fantasy. Like please think with your brain: if the scientists could talk to the devil, they'd be publishing about it EVERYWHERE. Do not underestimate just how clout-chasing researchers can be.
Some of you might say 'but Ybg, you dumb ignorant idiot, CERN scientists, who are supposedly separate from religion, were seen practicing a mock human sacrifice infront of the Shiva statue!' First of all, many scientists are religious. Religion is an unprovable explanation for things that are beyond science. Science deals in the realm of provable things. There is nothing about religion that would stop someone from being a damn good scientist. Second, that mock ritual was literally a prank done by outsiders, not CERN researchers.
Some of you might say 'oh but why do they even have a Shiva statue?' Well, the Shiva statue is a symbol of destruction and rebirth, which is relevant to the scientific process of smashing particles together. It's not about practicing human sacrifice or any kind of religious ritual. You can have Shiva statues without even believing in Shiva, symbols are just cool.